In a Facebook post from 2021, Furtick wrote this: Following Jesus doesnt change you into something else, it reveals who youve been all along. God has existed in relationship with Himself for all eternity. Heres an example: Furtick has taught modalism. Ive included a funny video below that you might like. Humans are not a trinity. Yes, its complex. So you dont believe that God is a molecular structure. Do your own homework. Passive voice: the subject is the recipient of the action, not the one who performs it. Thats a yes or no question, by the way. Furtick should know better, and you shouldnt parrot ideas about the Bible that you havent actually looked up. You sound angry. By itself, I see no problem but playing music in church isnt by itself. It comes with spiritual baggage that the Kingdom of God, quite simply, is fighting against. Lets be like the Bereans and examine the Scriptures to see if what Steven Furtick says is true. Pastor Robert Madu. Your use of this passage suggests that we dont know whether Furtick is teaching the gospel or not whether its from God or not. So whats the difference between being wrong and trying to pervert the gospel? The old saying; If I had a nickel for every time this was presented. Well anyway, I would have a lot of nickels! He is the sustainer of the universe. A man goes to heaven by putting his faith in Jesus and Jesus alone . But, why this buffeting? What ethnicity is Steven Furtick? Moses said to God, Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you, and they ask me, What is his name?Then what shall I tell them?, God said to Moses, I am who I am. According to a post from Reformation Charlotte, a group of evangelists, journalists and apologists in North Carolina, a recent sermon from Furtick - a pastor at Elevation Church - shows that he has rejected the orthodox view of the Trinity and instead is embracing modalism, where God is one person who has revealed himself in three forms at separate times. Paul, you say, needed to be humbled. Unfortunately, many false teachers have perfectly orthodox statements of faith. I would have to say, however, that the first quote hardly contributes to a little gods doctrine such as taught by Mr. Copeland, Mr Hinn, Mrs Meyers, etc. I understand you want to have the final say in discussions, but let me share this last thought, then you can put me in my place, so to speak. Youre right. The Furtick family name was found in the USA, and the UK between 1840 and 1920. In any other context, I have no doubt you would share my concern: In the beginning, Marduk created the heavens and the earth. >> So no, modalism is not a false doctrine. You could even, at that point, ask another question: What would you say to someone who teaches modalism? and What would you say to someone who listens to modalist teachers?. Thanks for asking. The information on this page will make such abundantly clear. Thank you for sharing this. No, Im not aware of him teaching on sin and repentance. The most proper method is known as exegesis, or reading out of Scripture. Yes, the first quote as noted is not heretical. Trying to explain this passage, Furtick claims that Jesus said this: No, I am not leaving you. If your father is not a modalist, he will be able to explain the doctrine of the trinity and be able to explain how the Son is not the Father, for example. Instead, its modalism: the unbiblical idea that God is ONE person that appears to us in different modes, or manifestations. I recently worked with a retired pastor, and our topic was discipleship. Have a great day! That God might use Furtick is easy to understand. Here are the benefits: If your father is a modalist, youll find out rather quickly. Pastor Steven Furtick. In Furticks own words, the power of God was trapped in their unbelief. THAT is his point, as the rest of his quote shows. Thank you for teaching me to bunt and giving me a tractor-trailer to learn punk rock. Finally: we who follow Jesus should not consider false teachers our enemies. When you read Jesus words in context, you will see that He wasnt saying to not judge. Its not a surprise to see that Andrew Wommack agrees with Steven Furtick, as both are Word of Faith teachers. He exists as one substance in three persons: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. God is a molecular structure that fills all in all. Well, we know everything is made up with molecules (atoms with protons and neutrons), but to say God is a molecular structure does not fit, as the word does say clearly; all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist (all things hold together, in many translations), Colossians 1: 16. My disagreement is in no sense an indication of dislike given the opportunity, Id love to buy you lunch and chat in person. Im sorry that you and I disagree on this, my friend but my position is not my own. #2 debunked. The concept of perichoresis appeared 650 years after the close of the canon. God wasnt powerless yet Steven Furtick claims that He was. Now true, God does give us the measure of faith per scripture Romans 12:13, yet we must use that which is given. Then in John 1:12 this power is received by faith, then in Ephesians 3:7 this gift of grace is through working of his power. Lets turn that around and see how you feel: Ive done my homework. The question is whether a teacher directly contradicts the Bible, or adds to the Bible in a way that compromises the truth in it. He just was no longer visible. No matter what Lysa TerKeurst says in her Bible studies, she's known as the Proverbs 31 woman, I'm sure you've seen her little sayings. Im not making a mountain out of a molehill here, Thomas. Feel free to continue disagreeing, if you dont see what I see. Death and life is in the power of your tongue, not Gods. I also listened to Furticks full sermon on this subject yesterday. He needed someone to show His nature through, so He made me and you. If so, then all of the apostles were Pharisees. Of course, I dont really watch very many of his sermons so it would be easy to miss if he did. The thief on the cross was a special case. Removing the copyright information violates that agreement and makes you guilty of, essentially, piracy: using their intellectual property for your own benefit without compensation. Lysa TerKeurst is a member of Elevation Church, that's Steven Furtick's church. He is wrong about the Trinity. Instead, Christ could not do many miracles because the circumstances under which the Lord readily shows Himself were not present.. Required fields are marked *. That statement is based solely on what we see in Scripture, with which anybody can and everybody should become familiar. . See for yourself what the Bible says. We want to understand the context of this passage before we even think about applying it. In Matthew 13:53-58 Jesus is in His hometown, and Hes not getting the same kind of response there that He got elsewhere. God bless you brother. Its important, again, to keep in mind the claim thats being addressed. Modalists have that part right: there is only ONE God. I have yet to see Furtick really talk about sin and repentance. God is not limited by creation, but is above creation, transcends creation. It has five bedrooms and seven bathrooms. Please and I sincerely mean this please, dont run away. It is all ONE God, not three different personalities, or persons. Fodder for another discussion, maybe. Im sure we can agree on this: salvation is not the end, its the beginning. I have felt conviction over singing their music because it supports their ministry, which clearly teaches some wrong theology. New to your work. Ernest Angley made the same kind of claim: By begging God in fear, doubt, despair, rather than asking in faith, He is limited. As with all Word of Faith teachers, this demotes God to a subordinate position and elevates man to a superior position. In this case, to anyone and everyone. It ALSO teaches that the Spirit in us is Christ in you, the Hope of Glory. The trinity is hard to understand because God is triune, but nothing else is. Right, Jesus did miracles to show he was God the Son, as in, When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby. These were not unbelievers, but believed and even asked for Jesus to come heal Lazarus. It makes the most sense to apply it to Revelation, as it IS a book of prophecy. Please: take some time to consider throwing the baby out with the bath water. The gospel , death, burial and resurrection of our Lord. This sets the stage (so to speak) for what is about to happen, in effect because these local folks coped an attitude saying ; who does this local guy think he is? Iron does indeed sharpen iron and some friction is a necessary part of that process. Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christs power may rest on me (2 Corinthians 12:9) Tony, I know you dont need a cheering section or anything, but I cant help it when you make points I have been saying for years. So that we, May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passes knowledge, that you might be filled with all the fulness of God. See, John 14:17 for he dwells with you (old testament), and shall be in you (new testament). So, then how much greater exploits, Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. What power? If a man is labeled as a false teacher and not only a weaker brother , can he possibly be a child of God. Second, we know that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Come on, Angela. So, were do you get Jesus was entirely powerless from : He was able to and The power of God was in Nazareth? Steven Furtick associates himself and his church with other false teachers. This is where you read a section of the Bible and you ask what is says. Heres my position: Steven Furtick teaches modalism. ( Not knocking either, it was just different to what I was use to.) Feel free to build yourself a palace full of nickels. Steven is a pastor in the church and both of them embrace their religious journey together. He just changed forms. You and I arent Job, or Moses, or Jesus. Youre right Steven Furtick doesnt seem like a womanizer or a manipulator. I is the first person, You is the second person, They is the third person. If God broke the Law, justice has not been done. Now I pay attention more to the words spoken by pastors and dont just take everything they say as being true. As she is the daughter of Murrill Boitnott (father) and her mother's name . Apparently, Jesus and James and Jude and John and Peter and Paul thought that it was important to tell the churches to watch out for false teachers. , I came back to this discussion because of a recent email on this subject, so I read your last statement again. The only one who has the right to say if this man is a true man of God is God himself and if he wasnt called by God he will fall. I am not a follower of Furtick, but you ask, Do you see it? This is, quite simply, unbiblical. This is a common practice among those in the Word of Faith and New Apostolic Reformation movements: making claims that sound good, that have no basis in Scripture, that cant be contradicted directly because theyre created out of thin air. I called this me-ology, instead of theology. (That's two behind Michael Jordan and two ahead of retired Bank of America CEO Hugh McColl.) Thats okay. Even Sproul (who you quoted earlier) does so by saying The circumstances by which God the Holy Spirit unleashed [Christs] power were not available there, because there was a judgment of God on the town of Nazareth. While some people mistake him for an African-American or partly African-American, Steven . Salvation IS a huge deal but if our only concern was salvation, we wouldnt need most of the New Testament. We are talking about Furtick as a teacher and his interpretation of Matthew 13:58, yet Matthew Henry is a teacher, and said the very same thing, will you draw him into this category too? The Son obeyed the Father (John 14:31). To God? There is no other God beside Him. Does he teach the importance of obedience, Does he teach how important it is to get sin out of your life, Does he teach you how to build a close personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Unbelief in Nazareth somehow kept Christ from doing all that He could. Paul was certainly a special case, as dont forget what he did to the church, by such destructive degradation he perpetrated on it; and even Jesus made response to it; for I will show him how much he (Paul) must suffer for My names sake. Acts 9:16, and thus buffeting, because of revelations, was part and partial. If you throw the ball, you are not the ball. Second: who does it apply to? Its an observation. There are plenty of Scriptures about not rejecting other believers simply because they dont yet understand all that Jesus taught. For example, the Father sent the Son (1 John 4:14). Because Steven Furtick isnt a reliable and responsible teacher, recommending their music is a lot like endorsing a false teacher. Let me know how I can help, because I want to help. He committed to going back to the 50+ churches on his district and letting them know not how he had failed, but how he missed the opportunity to do better. Such a belief betrays a surface-level reading of Mark 6:5 and a failure to consider Jesus wider ministry. In Scripture, God can do whatever He wishes. Admittedly, this is absolutely a rabbit trail but I am enjoying your feedback so I will press on. Appreciate that look up. Most people get defensive about things, and dig their hole even deeper. I have questions, and I hope you can take a deep breath and answer them clearly. We cant create worlds out of nothing. He is rare he actually tells how life really is and tells his own fears and struggles that people can actually relate to. Which goes along with; That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, Ephesians 3:16,17.Here is the Spirit and Christ mentioned in the same verse, showing oneness John spoke of, the one in the inner man and the other in the heart. Pastor Steven Furtick of the Elevation Church and his wife Holly Furtick are blessed with 3 Children in their marriage, two sons, Elijah and Graham, and daughter, Abbey. Theology should come directly from the Bible wherever possible. Yet not as I will, but as you will. First of all we have the Holy Spirit which guides us when something is incorrect the holy spirit will Quicken us to let us know what is right and what is not. Jesus Himself said that HE and the Father would indwell us. Sorrow and mourning will disappear, and they will be filled with joy and gladness. Sure, it is noted he was not appreciated in his home turf, but bottom line, Jesus himself marvelled at their unbelief, which is another way of saying, lack of faith, which has a lot to do with receiving things from God, even salvation as, he gave power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John 1:12. I was raised Roman Catholic and went to private Catholic school. I wonder how many on this forum have a biblical salvation experience ? If you declare with your mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. If our lack of faith prevented Him from acting, then nobody could be saved ever, is not copacetic with the many scripture that point to the need of both hearing (His drawing) and believing, as it is hearing the Gospel of our salvation that prompt faith to act on it; Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized. Christ in you, the hope of glory Colossians 1:27 Like you, I think we should be careful about making accusations. God is not molecular, but rather, God made molecular! Dr. R.C. He had a physical ailment that was never healed. Jesus was not judging them, they were judging themselves, self incriminating (thus not getting anything, James 1:4) for as, per John 3:18. Every word that came out of His mouth was the Father speaking. Youve encouraged me twice first by your gratitude, and second by letting the world know that youre paying attention! All I had to do was write, and suddenly it became very apparent that a lot of folks are looking for answers. He says a lot of things that are true, of course but he also promotes unbiblical falsehoods. Meanwhile, I see a whole generation being deceived. That fits with other texts, so maybe He didnt heal people who didnt want to be healed. We know him only as a regular guy, not somebody with any special favors from God, and they were offended in him verse 56. We should appreciate anyone who teaches us the truth, but that doesnt mean we should uncritically follow them when we see significant problems in their lives, in their ministries, and in their teaching. Theres a GIGANTIC difference between what God CAN do and what God WILL do. You say Paul was a special case. Its nice to meet you. Heres something we can know with certainty: Gods power was not trapped in their perspective. Thats the direction of Furticks point, and its plain and simple evidence that hes comfortable pouring his own meaning INTO the text (eisegesis) rather than deriving Gods meaning OUT OF the text (exegesis). For the wages of sin is penance, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. First, God is not subject to any law. Second, its the kind of claim that cant be tested, so its safe from those who would question it. He is known for being the founder and lead pastor of the Elevation Church. Thank you for this. It is mankind's total depravity that renders us incapable of keeping . Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. Larry Stevens Furtick, age 60, died June 05, 2013 at home in Charlotte, NC surrounded by his family. I too get tired of the nonsense, and the focus on secondary issues, and on the desire to be entertaining rather than edifying. Yes, breaking the law was a big deal and He did not break the law for love, but rather fulfilled the law to show love, to us who have. In the end, you should be praying for your father and listening to the Holy Spirit. Go watch the sermon. I also have no doubt I could be friends with Furtick, given the opportunity. His birth sign is Pisces. Do you agree with him when he says that God is a molecular structure that fills all in all, and that thats what it means to say that Christ was from the beginning? Along those lines, a lack of faith is a spiritual limitation. No, I get that it would be rough if others out here in cyberspace land could write at the same length, yet all I ask is that you follow same, be equitable . In my opinion when labeling a man a false teacher we are inevitably questioning their salvation , whether we admit it or not. While it is true, we dont observe them anymore, the reason we dont is not that they no longer apply, but there is no longer anything to apply them to. God is perfect and I dont know about you, but Im definitely not perfect. God saves us in response to our acceptance of His offer of salvation. Good question. The coffee bar, the band with the weird hair and weird clothes, the power point presentations to accompany the message. I do applaud those who have obtained these things legitimately. God has given us great promises in His Word, including promises of health and wholeness, as Jesus died on the cross to redeem us from sin and sickness. Almost all of the books in the New Testament warn us about false teachers, and tell us what to do when we find them. (Furtick's parents named him Larry Stevens Furtick Jr.) 2. Think Furtick problem maybe just being ignorant of the word, proud. I dont mean that you might create a circumstance where God has already made decisions about what will happen, as when someone dies after a lifetime of rebellion. What you need is what we all need: to see people actually following Jesus closely. Got it. First, what looks like a blessing may simply be something we like not something God has done to bless us. That doesnt mean that we should remain unaware of whats going on around us, or that we should ignore those who teach falsely in the name of Jesus. In our natural state, we want nothing to do with God. As the founder and pastor of Elevation Church home of the popular Christian music group Elevation Worship he has a great amount of influence and a worldwide audience. Thanks again. If you agree that hes a false teacher but want to talk more about Matthew 13, at least Ill have some sense as to your intentions. The scripture are flush with such scripture, and I shared many in my last response, as truly all things (healing, deliverance, and salvation, which is the greatest miracle) are possible, but one has to believe! Not getting respect is a symptom of unbelief, which will result in let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. (James 1:7) exactly which happened here in Mark 6:5,6. The religious leader was born and raised in Moncks Corner, South Carolina, in the United States of America. . In apologetics these days, there is so much information just slamming around, one needs to be able to verify the claims. Nike Dunk Low Off-White Pine Green Shoes $510. And Jesus said unto him, Go your way; your faith has made you whole. Though it is clear here in the Lords vexed, provoked, pained, distressed cry, Matthew 23:37, saying; O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!, as here it is no doubt speaking these children limited Gods gathering ability. And he performed very few miracles there because of their lack of faith. In both it indicates that did not is part and partial to could not for it was the lack of their faith that caused this. "He's in and out of consciousness, in incredible pain. Same thing. And, I am sure you could have hit a few more points and added many more examples. I have recently been struggling with breaking free from my past sins. Just as a manipulating womanizer can say true things, false teachers can be kind, sincere, morally upright people. We Are We Label. Healing belongs to us in Christ Jesus, and yet its up to us to receive it, take it, with your faith. Jesus healed people because of the faith of others. Thanks, so I will just try to answer a couple of things. Jakes (prosperity gospel, New Apostolic Reformation, modalism, proponent of women "pastors") his mentor, yokes with numerous false teachers, allows women and false teachers to preach at his "church". In this case, its that Jesus isnt God, and isnt one with the Father, but that Hes the first being that God created. Both, in this case, misuse Scripture and claim that it says something that it does not say. My identity isnt a secret. The blood of Jesus is far superior to the blood of animal sacrifices in the eyes of God, so much so that sacrifice of animals ceased being acceptable to him since the completion of the atoning work of his Son on the cross, Hebrews 9:11-14 Jakes: I began to realize that there are some things that could be said about the Father that could not be said about the Son, Jakes said. Because if a person really Noahs God and has a true relationship with him they know right from wrong keep your comments to yourself and quit causing Discord among the brethren. Third, we know that the Son is not the Father nor the Spirit, and that the Spirit is not the Father. Pastor Steven Furtick. Steven Furtick is an American pastor, Gospel preacher, songwriter, and author. Let me know if you need a hand getting started. I'm Annoyed. Modalists claim that there is only one PERSON that is God, but the Bible describes three different persons as the ONE God. Jakes, some of whom have also been criticized for . If oneness doctrine is true, why make any distinction at all? The problem is what the people teach, and the damage done to both believers and non-believers alike. Find contact details for 700 million professionals. But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that comes to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Hebrews 11:6. As always, Scripture should be our guide. The power that works in us is Gods power, not ours and its not ours to command, its His. He said if you listen to the Word and dont do it, youre like a man who looks at himself in a mirror in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God my Maker is my mirror. When Jehovahs Witnesses talk about Jesus, theyre using words that sound the same, but have a different meaning. My second suggestion is that Christians should be strategic about these things. Not Dead Yet. The Lamb of God was slain from the foundation of the world. They dont use sober judgment. First, I didnt call you irresponsible. Rejecting Jesus has significant consequences, as we see in todays passage. Give him time to think about what hes telling you, to review it in his mind. This guy who is spending all this time with only one side of view is not write you may want to get your self out of the way and let go and let God . Even those who receive the gospel with joy may fall away.
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