My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. Rifle Recoil Table. Norma Projektilfabrik answered Winchesters designs with a pair of their own: the .308 Norma Magnum and its slightly older brother, the .358 Norma Magnum. Back in the late 70's I picked up a custom 1903 in 358 Norma Mag, awesome rifle, very accurate and it put a thump on deer, I bought it hopping to get a moose tag back in MN, never did and sold the rifle. Can't really imagine one cartridge doing anything the other couldn't, though the availability of bigger bullets and way more factory ammo (if wanted) are definite pluses for the Mauser. it is one nice gun and made for tight places. A 358Norma is a good fit for this action. Any of these will handle just about any big game one might hunt with a .358 Norma, where you want to employ its ample knockdown power. They include both the AccuBond and the Partition 225-grain bullets with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. Think of the .358 Norma Magnum as the chunky cousin of the .338 Winchester Magnum; not quite as svelte or popular, but equally effective in a fight. However, that may be changing, or at least the possibility of change may exist. zero-we see that contrary to popular belief, a 35-caliber can be a long-range cartridge. The .358 is vastly underated as the Whelen. Where the .338 Winchester drives its 250-grain bullet to 2650 fps, the .358 Norma beats that figure by 100 fps or so, delivering over 4,200 ft.-lbs. i have a 35 whelen and love it. Like most of the children of the Holland & Holland parents, the .358 Norma uses its shoulder for headspacing, rather than the belt, as do the .375 and .300 H&H. I wont be ashamed to take it elk hunting, but today Im certain that level of power is not essential. The 35 whelen and 358 winchester were the two I was torn between. Everybody agrees that the .358 Win. Norma offers factory ammunition, E.R. Ive seen many elk taken cleanly with a .270 Winchester, and my own longest shot on an elk was on a big New Mexico bull at 400 yards using a .270 Winchester with a 150-grain Nosler Partitionone step and down. What should the discerning collector look for in a potential buy? Mag. Synthetic stocks arent always lighter than wood, but they are stronger and more stable, and elk hunting can be hard on rifles. With a 200-grain bullet at 2460 f.p.s., it is a heavy-hitter on whitetails. Why the public abandoned it so quickly is a mystery to me. And the hunter must have full confidence in his or her choice. All we do know for sure is that it was either Howe or Whelen, or both, who necked the .30-06 Sprg. These are elk cartridges, and as Jack Atcheson Jr. likes to say, the .338 numbs them. Why cant we love the .35? As it turned out, having a great punch was not enough for either one. This is not enough to argue about, so Im not convinced that the 7mm is better than the .270, but you can stoke it with a heavier bullet. Size aside, American elk are very tough creatures. The big case certainly made its reputation with the 250-grain bullets, as their sectional density gives excellent penetration on even the heavy-boned animals, and the .358 Norma can push them to a muzzle velocity of 2750 fps. of muzzle energy. Your at the old delema again: does 200 fps matter to the deer. and is a good cartridge for hunting the thick woods for deer, hogs, black bear or even elk. exlcusive user. With cast bullets, A-5744 and Trail Boss are usually the best choices, although H-4895 is a good powder for midvelocity hunting loads. That list, by the way, is in ascending order of power. Nosler offers the .350 Rem. Three rivals: (1) .338 Winchester Magnum, (2) .358 Norma Magnum and (3) .375 H&H. A cross-section of loads for the .358 Norma Magnum include the (1) Sierra 125-grain JHP, (2) Sierra 170 FMJ, (3) Speer 180, (4) 200-grain cast bullet and a (5) Sierra 200 roundnose. Give a Gift So are the .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. I'd go with the 35 whelen. I am often criticized for following the Elmer Keith school in suggesting powerful cartridges. necked up to .35 caliber. 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Ive obviously left the door wide open. As unmagical as that might sound, it's one of the hardest hitting non-magnum cartridges ever. The first time I ever hunted with a .358 Norma Magnum, it was a custom rifle built on a Mauser Mark X action. With modern powders the muzzle velocities can certainly beat those of the Cordite loads a century ago, especially in a modern rifle. So it is fair to say that, over the years, .35 caliber rifles at least have caught the interest of the gun and ammo manufacturers, if not the general shooting public. The .356 Win. From the .35 Winchester (1903), .35 Remington (1906) and .351 Winchester Self-Loading (1907) to the later .358 Winchester (1955) and .350 Remington Magnum (1965), there has always been at least one .35-caliber cartridge in use. Follow along to see exactly how. Head to the range this week with American Rifleman staff as they discuss a trim little repeater from Savage Arms that comes chambered for the .22 WMR cartridge. Mag. Kali Parmley, Editor-in-chief of Bakccountry Hunter speaks with Bret Maffet of Franchi Firearms to discuss the all new Momentum All Terrain Elite. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Coming from me, this conclusion may shock you, so let me give you another surprise. In its 112-year lineage, it has probably taken more elk than all other cartridges combined. would follow that tradition. The .35 Whelen is a fine elk cartridge. Today, it is strictly a custom proposition unless one of the original rifles chambered for it can be found. Even so, most experienced deer hunters have pretty good ideas on appropriate rifles. Released in 1908, the .350 Rigby Magnum is an entirely original design, with no parent cartridge. Hunting Shack 358NORMA2N Game King 358 Norma 225 gr Sierra GameKing Spitzer Boat-Tail - 20rd Box. Sometimes you get a point-blank shot; other times you need to stretch it a bit farther. Its also worth noting that, in spite of its relative obscurity, the cartridge appears in many of the most recent loading manuals, including Normas own, a worthwhile addition to anyones reloading library. Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. loaded with a 180-grain Oryx bullet to the .358 Norma Mag. You get the shot you get, and within sensible limits, you must be able to take the shot offered. The 600 Magnum suffered from a barrel that was too short at 18 inches. He never questioned the adequacy of his .270 for elk, nor do I, but he was also a lifelong .30-06 fan and privately conceded its superiority for elk-sized game. A medium variable in the 3-9X or 2.5-10X range should be enough scope for elk hunting. Loved by gun guys and rejected by the huddled masses, this is perhaps the most underappreciated cartridge of them all. Sierras 225-grain spitzer boat-tail, designed for the .35 Whelen, is a stellar performer in the .358 Norma. Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time. But starting in the late 1950s, the .338 bore size gained considerable tractionthanks to the emergence of the .338 Winchester Magnum. Folks who live in elk country may consciously seek a cow for the freezer. .358 Norma brass is a snap to make from 338 Win Mag brass. No matter if its books, art or hunting cartridges, its only those with a deep understanding of the subject who can fully understand the greatness often buried in obscurity. With todays interest in long-range shooting, big scopes are in, but powerful scopes add weight. Maybe it's a regular BDL? Shaw will make a rifle, as will any other custom, or semi-custom, riflemaker. At 300 yds., the .358 Norma impacts only 0.96" lower than the .300 Win. Mag. This standard (.30-06) length magnum cartridge drives a 250 grain bullet at a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2799 fps with 4350 ft. lbs. The 6.5mm Creedmoor and the old 6.5x55 are sound minimal choices, adequate to 300 yards. All Rights Reserved. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is at the Streamlight booth at SHOT Show 2023 to go over the Bear Trap light from Streamlight. The 25-degree, 30-minute shoulder gives plenty of room for powder, and though the neck of the .358 Norma measures less than the desired one-caliberit comes in at 0.328-inchthere is plenty of neck tension to hold the bullets in place without the need for crimping. Either of the other two cartridges mentioned will work just fine also. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. all were more powerful-and may have been excellent hunting cartridges-but they are gone; rejected by the shooting public and banished to the junk heap of obsolescence. The .270 WSM and .270 Weatherby deliver more energy, but all three are fine. Ive had a 350 RM in a 600 Remington since the 60s. Introducing the Veracity PH from Burris, the perfect combination of reliability, quality, and technology delivering a simple aiming solutiona tool for the hunter that just works. Follow along to see exactly how. Theres more to success than merely landing a good one on the chin. The M700 has been a popular action for building a rifle in .358 STA, a wildcat based on the 8mm Remington Magnum. As an experiment, I shot the nilgai five or six more times with different bullets, then hauled the carcass back to the cleaning station intact and carried out a necropsy. So if you have a .375 (or larger) and a yen to take it elk hunting, be my guest. For example, take the most powerful of the factory standardized .35's, the .358 Norma Magnum. So while some of my rifle choices may have been oddball, none of the rifles Ive used for elk have been exactly wrong. Here are the features to watch out for. On June 26, 1959, Sweden's Ingemar Johansson demolished Floyd Patterson in the third round of their first heavyweight title fight in New York. 358 norma mag is a rarer bird but as I understand fire forming 300 win mag brass an easy way to feed it. Mark Bansner is making one for me: synthetic stock on a left-hand Sako action. Even the obscure .358 Norma Magnum is the most efficient of the belted-magnum cartridges [note - by the author's own data the 350 Remington Magnum bests the 358 Norma]. This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. in a rimmed cartridge that would work in a lever-action rifle. These were, primarily, the Schultz & Larsen (Denmark), the Husqvarna (Sweden) and a few Browning High Powers made by FN in Belgium. But there is no compelling reason to consider a caliber larger than .35. Spl. The classic .350 Rigby Magnum load pushes a .358-inch diameter 225-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2625 fps for 3,440 ft.-lbs. The .358 Norma Magnum is a rifle cartridge introduced in 1959 by Norma. the problem in this debate is we are crossing over in calibres, which means thrust on different sized pistons. Mag. Likewise, so do experienced western elk hunters. Hornadys LEVERevolution pushes the performance up a notch with a 200-grain pointed bullet at 2225 f.p.s. Most Professional Hunters agree that a bullet with a S.D. Honestly, the concept of being overgunned is somewhat mystifying to me, provided you can place the shot. DoubleTap loads the 180-grain Barnes TTSX bullet at 3100 fps, and the 225-grain Swift A-Frame at 3000 fps, giving options to the hunter who wants the most versatility from their big-game rifle. Unlike either the .338 or .375, the .35 (.358-inch) has been a standard American caliber since 1900. I have never lost an elk, and I do not recall ever tracking one for recovery. The trouble is, they didnt sell. Copyright 2003, 2012 by Chuck Hawks. figure of 0.300 is desirable, and comparing similar cartridges, youll see the .350 Rigby comes in a bit behind the other popular choices of the day. I think it would be cheeper to get another action or a magnum bolt. Common loads fire a 200-grain bullet at 2,800 fps (about 3,480 foot pounds of energy), a 225-grain bullet at around 2,600fps (3,380 foot pounds of energy . Does the power of the magnum offer much over the whelen in real life terms? It can be the ballistic equivalent of the .30-06 with a 180-grain bullet or, pushed the other way, it can easily match the velocity of the .300 Weatherby Magnum with the same weight bullet. As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. I don't hunt Kodiac island nor elephants so utilizing the 06 case to build an elk rifle, lower 48 grizzly country rifle works for me. They are a little short initially and after two firings they were just fine. From there, you can work up until you find a load that gives you the accuracy and velocity you want. Of course, not all .35-caliber cartridges approach greatness. 1 Item (s) Show per page. Kevin Steele, Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING talks with JJ Reich of HEVI-Shot about the new offerings for 2023. The .35 Whelen is accurate, hits hard, penetrates deep, shoots flat and recoils mildly. The parent of this cartridge is the .30-06 Springfield, which is necked-up to accept a bullet diameter of .358 in (9.1 mm).This cartridge is more powerful than its parent, especially in killing power on large game. Its a decent cartridge, but American hunters just wont flock to it. I shot my first bull elk in Montanas Pioneer Mountains on a snowy Thanksgiving in 1972. The hunter from afar, journeying into unfamiliar country, must also accept the pressure of a limited period of time and the knowledge that it may come down to just one chance. Far more alternatives, in fact, than exist in several more popular caliber families. I am also looking at building a 358 Norma Mag on a model 110 Savage action, formerly a 300 Win mag, and start from scratch with the stock ( bedding and pillar) and make it a tolerable shooter even if a bit heavy. compare 338/06 vs 338 win, and 35 whelen vs 358 norma vs 358 alaskan (stw) loaded to same pressure. It will work in this action with ease and will be plenty cheap to feed and use if one simply sizes up 338 brass and goes along thier happy way. Well, it betters the velocity of the .35 Whelen by at least 200 fps, much the same as the .338 Winchester Magnum does to the .338-06. Winchester and Hornady both offer 200-grain loads at 2475 f.p.s. Being able to take off the scope and work with iron sights, using cast bullets or light jacketed bullets, adds an entirely new dimension to the rifle. While the Colt Model 601 was the first AR-15 to be mass-produced, there were several design variations that came before during the platform's development. into the deer woods, and I pine for what could have been. The .358 in a bolt-action rifle with a good scope is as accurate as any hunting cartridge available. It, as you know, can be loadeddown to be a 35 Whelen but the reverse is not true. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." Thanks for any thoughts. Faster 6.5sthe new 6.5 PRC, the old .264, or the super-fast .26 Nosler and 6.5-300 Weatherbywill deliver more energy and open the range envelope a bit. If you happen to have a .35 and don't mind the extra recoil, there is no denying that it will flat get the job done. Make no mistake, the .30-06 is a powerful cartridge, but it doesnt beat you to death and can be built in the seven- to eight-pound range. To return to our boxing analogy, the .358 Norma Magnum not only has the Hammer of Thor, but it also offers an excellent jab, a good hook, a wicked uppercut and a variety of feints. As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. And those sentiments can be an awful lot of fun. A failed product is often said to be ahead of its time, which is usually just a polite way of saying nobody wanted to buy it. It shoots well and is light and easy to carry while hunting. When chambered for cartridges such as the .243 Win., 6 mm Rem., .308 Win. So, if you have an interest in carrying an ultra-rare cartridge of impeccable pedigree, you either roll your own or have someone load it for you. I would never argue that a .243 Winchester with a good bullet placed well, or certainly a .25-06 with a tough, heavy bullet, cant do the job. This is a particularly apt comparison because the re-introduced .350 is available in the Remington Model Seven rifle, which is also offered in .300 short magnum calibers. Many western hunters annually take elk with 6mms and .25s. Mag. This wonderful efficiency of the .35 calibers is especially remarkable when one considers that most all of these rounds are verging on obsolescence today. Nosler has three loads in its Custom line. The .35's are just plain superior for CXP3 class game. The cartridge predates the more famous .416 by three years, and the .350 Rigby was the first to feature the sharp 45-degree shoulder which is the hallmark of the Rigby designs. The bullet went in behind the near shoulder, struck the far shoulder from the inside, and the blue bull hit the ground with a thud. However, should a hunter who enjoys using cartridges that arent among the most popular find a rifle chambered for the .358 Norma Magnum? That 225-grain bullet has a sectional density (SD) value of 0.251, a bit light for what is normally considered to be appropriate for dangerous game. Too bad Ingemar Johansson was not so well equipped. But perhaps youre not after thick-skinned dangerous game. The .350 Remington Magnum is the only cartridge that appears on both lists of current and obsolete calibers. in the Big Bore Model 94. pushes a 200-grain bullet to just more than 2000 f.p.s. was simply a .308 Win. The ammunition hung on a while longer, but eventually Big Green abandoned her babies and stopped making both cartridges. Alas, to the best of my knowledge, its not imported to the U.S. They live in steep, rough country, and their long legs cover a lot of ground. The Norma factory load, with Normas own 250-grain bullet, performed poorly, coming apart in the chest cavity. of energy at the muzzle. As many hunters know, the Remington Model 600 carbine, which was introduced in 1964, was one of the first short, light, bolt-action rifles to find success with deer hunters. Winchester introduced its initial trio of belted magnums in the mid-1950sthe .458 Winchester Magnum, .338 Winchester Magnum and .264 Winchester Magnumand all were designed for the long-action receiver, using a case length equal or similar to the .30-06 Springfield. But they are not essential, and despite their effectiveness, all magnums from .30 caliber upwards generate more recoil than many folks are comfortable withand are able to shoot well. Boltface would have to be altered for the Norma. The rivalry between the .338-inch and .358-inch bore diameters has a considerable history; both topped out at 300 grains (at one point in time in history), and both have a lower end of 180 grains. Essentially the .338 Winchester Magnum necked up to hold .358-inch bullets, the .358 Norma Magnum made all sorts of sense to a hunter in pursuit of large game, such as elk, moose and the great bears of the north. Throw a belt on the .35 Newton and you couldnt tell the difference three feet away. The .358 Norma Mag. Ruger briefly chambered the M77 rifle in .35 Whelen.
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