*Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. Large Rifle Primers Fed 215 WLRM CCI 250 Rem 9 M WLR F210 CCI BR2 CCI 200 Rem 9 Small Rifle Primers Fed 205 Rem 7 WSRM Fed 200 WSR CCI BR4 CCI 400 Rem 6 1/2 Credit should also be given to Target Shooter Magazine for publishing the results. At .020' thick cup metal, these primers are minimal, at best, for light .223 Remington loads. 6,5 to 9,3 mm. This is a great post and definitely deserves a sticky in the reloading section, Thanks for posting. 0000053767 00000 n They can cause primer piercing within stout loads in .223 Remington applications. Seems they give me good results across the board. We used 0000003606 00000 n Primer cup dimensions are controlled to .0001", and the priming mix is specially formulated for consistent ignition with a wide variety of powder types. By The Copper Pill. Bullets; Primers; . $5.19. borrowed. It has a 27-inch barrel, and we installed a Out-of-Stock. With those caveats: Forgot to add: there is no difference between the Fed 210 and the 210M except that the 210M is their match primer. 0000077042 00000 n Primer with Smallest Group Size: Remington 9 LR (0.43 average, three 5-shot groups) CCI BR2 Large Rifle Primer 100-Pack $ 13 99 13 dollars 99 cents. 6 rounds with the RWS primers hang fired, including 2 of Here are the results of a test done to determine the brisance of primers. 0000001584 00000 n RockyRaab, the only difference between their list and yours is that they list CCI BR4 and CCI 400 as hotter than FED 200. #34 and #41 are military primer designations for large and small rifle primers, respectively. Not that I've ever seen. Primer Cross Reference Chart 4050 S. Clark St., Mexico, MO 65265 Grafs.com 800-531-2666 CCI Federal Fiocchi Remington Winchester 2847 0 obj <>/Filter/FlateDecode/ID[<17398BDBD67F214CBB3755FAA4BE7340><20967B39C4AB1349BB25AF309099C3A9>]/Index[2829 26]/Info 2828 0 R/Length 94/Prev 197341/Root 2830 0 R/Size 2855/Type/XRef/W[1 3 1]>>stream Large Rifle = LR, Large Rifle Magnum = LRM, Large pistol =LP, Brand/type Power Average Range Std. I thought wolf and tula were unobtanium via Russia? The following loads were with 48 grains of VVN 550 powder, firing 15 Nosler 130-gr. $12.99. 506 42 might make it easier to compare the velocity at normal temperature and cold My .338 RUM likes 100 grains of H1000 behind a 225-grain Nosler Partition bullet. One of the frozen rounds with the CCI BR 2 hang fired. It is a standard factory issue; we bedded the 0 Weighing Primers: I did some test weighing and found the bench rest had virtually no variations. All the following loads were with the Berger 85 grain Your first post mentioned measuring the depth of the primers, and to my way of looking at the world, that . Yeah yeah yeah, and matchkings won't kill a deer. 33. Keep them all the same. Read more; CCI Aps BR4 Small Rifle Benchrest (1000) $ 135.00. I did try a search but couldn't find anything apart from Chainsaws similar unanswered request back in August. Results are much closer than with the LR primers and again there was a surprise winner (CBC Magtech 7 1/2). CCI 400 primers are designed for .22 Hornet, .218 Bee, .219 Zipper, and .222 Remington loads: NOT for .223 Remington! CCI 350 Magnum Large Pistol Primers 100-Pack $ 6 99 6 dollars 99 cents. Winchester Reloading Small Pistol Magnum Primers. Take them with a grain of salt and as a guide only. PSA 300blk with some off brand remanufactered ammo. Virtually all primers today are made using either Lead Azide or Lead Styphnate as the priming compound. One (minor) reason that small primer brass may be better than many standard LR types is that it usually noticeably easier to seat SR primers and to get good feel on their contacting the pocket floor. BLR/BSR = Berdan (not available) Cartridge Primer Size . groups. Rifle cartridges 5,652 R and cal. Thats counter-intuitive and its odd that Rems were at opposite ends of the speed spectrum among ALL primers tested. His varmint bullets are absolutely fantastic. The following are with 75 grains of Reloader 19. rifle in its original stock, and installed a Leupold 6.5-20X scope in Ruger Buy Reloading > Components > Primers - Gun City are the leading firearms experts in New Zealand. It does show there are great differences in primers RIfle Primers Brand/type_____Power Average___Range____Std. The one published by "precision shooting" is posted at the following link: http://www.prfelr0.f2s.com/prfelr0/ click on primer 1 and primer2. in a Ruger Target model rifle. 0000007461 00000 n is a double base powder, same bullet and brass. Click Photo to read full test results in Target Shooter Magazine. Rated 4.80 out of 5 $ 105.00. 0000028191 00000 n different case sizes. This is likely a matter of conjecture. Three shot groups. I thought this 0000006474 00000 n Federal - 209A. The following loads are with 45.2 grains of BL-C 2, same It's higher than 30-30, and not much less than the 30-06. 5180 meters per second for Azide, 5200 meters per second for Styphnate.3. P. Plinker147 Well . http://www.serveroptions.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/003275.html, [This message has been edited by Dutch (edited 02-08-2002).]. grains in, or a variety of combinations). CCI Bench Rest Large Rifle Primers 1000/Box $199.99; Notify Me When Available; Brand: CCI; Item Number: 10 BK; CCI Large Rifle Primers 1000/Box $149.99; Notify Me When Available; . There are a great many views on the subject, a few based on tests (including primer flame photography) but most apparently hearsay. Laurie Holland. %PDF-1.4 % Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. 14 Likes. Interesting read, thanks! In Winchester testing labs, primers are constantly and rigorously tested for consistency and sensitivity at temperatures and conditions far beyond the range of normal usage. [#11] see how these components would perform under the conditions stated here. 0000053144 00000 n Must add the Federal Dry Bag to your cart, one per order. All Primers have a different Brisance. It confirms what many of us have known for a long time. The rationale for doing side-by-side tests is to see what effect primer choice has on ballistics, i.e. This another thing to consider in shooting. and .280 Rem., to name a few. I have never looked at primers apart from reliability. Thanks! Match event calendar and rifle competition accuracy training tips. I am keen to understand how the Sellior and Bellots went ,not sure on some of the abbreviations.Sellior and bellot are becoming quite common place in Australia,though I havent seen many reviews as to their primers,as they are the cheapest ,they may not always be the best.currently running up loads of Swede using 2209 and Sierra 123hpbt. Those extra heavy tended to be stronger, and light were weaker. Between these two extremes are Large Rifle primers of almost any brisance level. Another thing that is not in this test, but I have noted, is using a newsprint wad over the primer. Come join the discussion about performance, gunsmithing, troubleshooting, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Store For Availability. Primer Testing Reference You will see a large difference if you go from a large rifle primer to a magnum primer so look at primer Brisance. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. If you used my "Benchmark/Baseline/95% Solution" load method, you'd know in a few shots if your new primer choice was hotter, cooler or the same. This is the home made tester. Primer Testing Reference. things might turn out. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. Read more; CCI Aps Strips . I wanted to see if anyone else has my experience with wolf primers which is contrary to the notes in the OP. I'm am not doing this again! CCI "APS" Large Rifle Primers Strip . Three shot groups. 1.09K Views. 10. A few Sometimes I hand seat with a Sinclair tool and sometimes I seat using the press. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. We thought we would run our own test, using all the different primers that we have here. 0000005537 00000 n 506 0 obj <> endobj Proud Member Of The NRA. These are the links to the two pages, directly. Most of the tests were of 100 or more primers. Read more. They are very similar in their rate of propagation. Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. LRM = Large Rifle Mag . http://www.prfelr0.f2s.com/prfelr0/primers1.jpg, http://www.prfelr0.f2s.com/prfelr0/primers2.jpg. Despite the nomenclature, this primer is appropriate for some extremely high pressure pistol cartridges, such as the .221 Fireball and the .357 Maximum. J E CUSTOM . 0000153414 00000 n All 3 round with the RWS primer had hang fired. Thanks, DR. All the following groups were 3 shots at 100 yards, I wrote Great OP. work up a load from a safe, published starting load. well in this rifle before, and we did the same with VVN 540, as it is supposed If you are to use the taller Large Rifle primer, we recommend reaming the primer pocket deeper (.125"-.132"). The testing was apparently done with a homemade ballistic pendulum, which left a lot to be desired. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. 547 0 obj <>stream (6 1/2 cup thickness is.020, 7 . It was also years ago and things may have changed. 2.6-3.5 .2090, 18 Fed Match GM150M 3.05 2.6-3.7 .2299. TYPE OF PRIMER USED FOR PCS PER GRATING GRATINGS PER BOX BOXES PER CASE WEIGHT PER CASE; kg lb; V360157: Small Pistol 4,4 Boxer: . Federal Large Rifle Magnum #215M Gold Medal Match Primers | 1,000 Count. We know that major seating faults definitely have an effect, but do minor variations in seating tension too? Add to cart. The first "magnum" primer, the Federal 215 was designed for this very purpose. Small pistol primers - which are about the same size as small rifle primers but designed specifically for handguns. Their magnum LR primer is the F215. the 3 frozen overnight. A write-up will be done soon. 100%. German Salazar's pictures were taken in 2005. 2.7-3.5 .2406, 17 Federal 150 LP 3.11 I hear ya. Three shot groups. a custom Remington 700 we have built ourselves. 22661. %%EOF hbbd```b``:"gI~ 2.l#0qd f$3|{ 4 I think all of the flame pictures help illustrate that the variety of primer models do different stuff despite all primers being divided into just a few categories. Federal Champion No. These primers are designed for everything from small-caliber rifles and handguns to the large-caliber rifles . I learned Cci 400 and cci 550 are the same! Reading primers tells you a lot about how hard the primer cups are, what your headspace is like, how big your firing pin hole is, and how sharp your firing pin is, but it doesn't tell much about peak pressure. Take them with a grain of salt and as a guide only. One new winner* is announced every week! For starters, based on the loads tested, which duplicate maximum published 6.5 Creedmoor loads with the bullets used, large-rifle primers are on average 19.66 percent better than small-rifle . Very interesting. Dev, 1 Fed Match GM215M 6.12 5.23-6.8 .351, 2 Federal 215 LRM 5.69 Different Primers On The Load. We used Lapua brass and the 0000015415 00000 n Rifle primers use tougher cups than pistol primers because the firing pin blow of rifles is usually harder than the firing pin blow . For example, would you guess that Sellier & Bellot primers had the lowest ES, by a significant margin? of extruded Hodgdon H4831. 0000028040 00000 n The first "magnum" primer, the Federal 215 was designed for this very purpose. There really is no such chart. When I use the press the primers are seated harder.In your opinion would there be a difference in ES because of the seating mechanism? Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. chart, http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammo/ammunition_st_mamotaip_200909/, http://www.castingstuff.com/primer_testing_reference.htm. This is more visual and tells a good story too. Primer Flash Test Photos. 18,4. Yeah yeah yeah, and matchkings won't kill a deer. July 9, 2018. It has always been my impression that low ES/SD correspond to optimized combustion; that is to say when the primer, cartridge volume (pressure cell), powder charge, were all optimized to give optimal combustion for a given bullet weight. Does anyone have or know of a chart that lists primers from the hottest to the lightest? As Slamfire said, the #34 and #41 military hard primers likely will be more constant. All powder charges Reloaders know that primers come in various designations: large pistol vs small pistol, large rifle vs small rifle, etc. Laurie loaded .308 Win ammo* with 16 LR primer varieties and then tested for average velocity, ES/SD, and group size. 2854 0 obj <>stream The following are with 80 grains of VVN 165, same bullet Type: Small Rifle Match. Large Rifle Primers; Shotshell Primers; Best Selling In PRIMERS. Read more; CCI #34 7.62mm Military Primers. LP = Large Pistol LPM = Large Pistol Mag SR = Small Rifle LR = Large Rifle LRM = Large Rifle Mag BLR/BSR = Berdan (not available) Primer Size and Bullet Diameter Chart - 2 4050 S. Clark, Mexico, MO 65265 www.grafs.com 800-531-2666 32 Short Colt .313 SP 32 Winchester Special .321 LR 32-20 WCF .312 SR 32-40 WCF .320 LR 325 Winchester Short . Dev . Does this indicate that one primer creates more pressure for about the same velocity or does this mean that some primers will withstand more pressure before showing signs of failure? Buy in store-Limit 2. - All the large rifle primers measured have the same thickness. Ballistic Tips paired with 58.0 grs. JavaScript is disabled. $7.30. For this test, I used previously necked up and fireformed Norma 22-250 brass, body sized with a custom Redding . The following loads were shot in a Remington 700 chambered 200 Large Rifle Primers - 100 Count. 0000077528 00000 n 4 Accurate Arms Nitro 100 39 IMR, Co SR 4756. mounts. Great article/op. Remington 9-1/2 Large Rifle Centerfire Primers - 100 Ct. No media assets available for preview. Equipment reviews (.243 bullets, 30BR cartridge, 6mm Norma Improved, gun barrels, powders, primers, gunstocks, dies), accurizing, 1000yd ranges, ballistics . Which is better for muzzleloading, large rifle primers or 209 primers?There are many different types of muzzleloader ignit. It stands to reason that such cusp cartridges, as I like to call them, would have . Another unexpected finding was that with all of the 17-round strings halted for 15 or more minutes for barrel cooling between shots 10 and 11, in over half of the strings shot 11 produced a (low) MV that was out of the range of the others and had to be discounted. We got them as PMC brand here until that company disappeared and when we get them nowadays, which is rarely, they use the Russian manufacturers name, Murom. When pkts start getting loose, switch to them and get couple extra firings. Fiocchi Large Rifle Primers. RWS, CCI BR2, Federal 210M, Federal 210, Federal 215 and Winchester standard and magnum LR primers. Check With Your Local Ammo. Check With Your Local Ammo. Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. (function() { PRIMER LEGEND . Large rifle primers all appear to have the same cup thickness, no matter what the type. We thought of doing the test on 4 different case sizes. 0000028110 00000 n 2 Winchester WAALite 37 VihtaVuori N340. 0000010068 00000 n ALL Bulletin content is copyrighted, 2023 AccurateShooter.com. Small pistol and rifle primers utilize a cup 0.175" in diameter, while large pistol and rifle primers measure 0.210" across. The ES/SD numbers will therefore be higher than is typical with five-shot strings. 3.2-5.6 .5171, 15 KVB 45 LP Russian 3.89 3.3-4.2 To date, the best I approach have seen is that it is wise to have several primers that cover a range of brisance and simply test them empirically to find the one that works best with a particular load. I like the Wolf/Tula also because there a couple .0001s larger diam. .2232, 16 CCI 300 LP 3.18 Three shot groups. GM205M. Remington HTP .38 SPC 110-Grain Ammunition - 50 Rounds . That is how I came up with the results. It has no pistol primers, but if you look at the difference between the Remington 6 1/2 and 7 1/2, that's pretty typical of the difference between a standard rifle and a magnum rifle primer, though the material the 6 1/2 is stamped from is softer than the CCI of the same thickness and is known to leak gas if it is used in the .223. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Primer burn rate(?) Between these two extremes are Large Rifle primers of almost any brisance level. A forum community dedicated to Smith & Wesson firearm owners and enthusiasts. Three shot groups. Closed the bolt and off she went. 1 of the frozen BR2 rounds hag fired. $7.99. endstream endobj startxref Product Details. Many shooters wrongly believe that BR or magnum models have thicker brass and are therefore 'tougher' than standard . Three shot groups. The cartridge remains one of the few standard-issue rimmed . once fired Weatherby brass and the Sierra 190-grain Match King bullet, molly Listed From Fastest to Slowest: 1 NORMA R1 36 Winchester WSF. I don't have a link to the site , but 6mmbench rest.com or one of those type sites have extensive pages on standard primers. This is on a DMS (don't mean squat) scale. FWIW, Dutch. Or if they are so constantly tweaking their formulas and mixes that the information we're looking for is too much of a moving target. CCI primers offer the reloader clean, reliable ignition. Or a small primer pocket. Also, though I did not retain the article, some years ago I recall an article in Shooting Times that addressed the hotness of primers. Large Rifle 5,3 Boxer. I have not measures themperhaps your not seating them fully? Thanks for the insight Rocky. We are here to talk about primers. 0000002481 00000 n The brass colored wolf primers always fire fine in my bolt guns (and in my ar15 as well). I took four large pistol primers (CCI 300's), four large rifle primers (CCI 200's) and four large rifle bench rest primers (CCI BR-2's) and measured the width and depth of all three primer types. I would like to state The standard primer types are pistol, pistol magnum, rifle, and rifle magnum. were selected and match prepped, all have the same weight. . The Murom KVB-7 or KVB-7M should be the Wolf LR-M under a different name. At minimum load a handful of reduced loads with a new primer. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. At the other end of the cartridge scale, 2.7 grains of Bullseye, a 148-grain lead wadcutter, and regular Small Pistol primers make up my .38 Special target ammo. The new Russian 0000015264 00000 n xref They used the same hulls, the same powder, powder charge, shot, shot charge, wad, and reloaded them on the same reloader. Firing pin strength also seems to be a definite factor. An old rule of thumb suggests the use of magnum primers any time the powder charge is 60 grains or more. shoot them as a group, noting both the velocity and the accuracy, and compare This is interesting, according to this, Federal Gold Metal MatchKing 308 ammo should not be shot in a AR10 or 308 platform. Large rifle primers - which measure about .128 inches in height and .212 inches in width. Dont know why they tested 210M primers as they seem to have gone the way of the passenger pigeon. Federal Gold Medal Large Magnum Rifle Primer - 100 Ct. $9.39. Keep to the lower end of reloading recommendations. $79.99: 45 wks ago: Notify: Midway: CCI Large Rifle 7.62mm NATO-Spec Military Primers 34. While searching around for some info I stumbled on to this thread and its too good not to share. Compare Compare Now. of those horrible looking plastic stocks. Makes me think about some BR4 primers for my 6.5x47L over the #400. 3.7-5.5 .3997, 10 CCI BR2 4.37 The only thing they changed was the primer. :u0RFH1r)F#a9nZh. $7.49. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Primer with Highest ES/SD: Remington 9 M Magnum (47/14.0 fps) I think we have enough data above to get some sort of idea of how 3 VihtaVuori N310 38 IMR, Co Hi-Skor 800-X. The biggest surprise to me came from an elderly (at least 10 years) lot of Czech Sellier & Bellot standard caps with an ES of 12 and SD of 3.1 fps, way below those of the nearest competitor. Apr 30, 2012. CCI No. coated. Federal Champion Centerfire Small Rifle Primer - 100 Ct. No media assets available for preview. NRA Member..SWCA Member..Semi-Retired, But Not Dead Yet. following primers in our possession. Out of stock. Well done gentlemen, Share the post "Ultimate Large Rifle Primer Shoot-Out 16 Types Tested". HTH, Dutch. Dev. ga.src = ('https:' == document.location.protocol ? . 0000076375 00000 n endstream endobj 2830 0 obj <. So, don't take this as gospel but as a rough indicator. 100. In firearms and artillery, the primer (/ p r a m r /) is the chemical and/or device responsible for initiating the propellant combustion that will push the projectiles out of the gun barrel.. Primer Size Chart . #4. There's not a lot of variance in primer burn rate, only in quantity of powder to burn per primer. There's not a lot of variance in primer burn rate, only in quantity of powder to burn per primer. June 3rd, 2015 LR Primer Types Tested for Velocity, ES/SD, Group Size and More! this with the others. I think the BR4 is milder than the CCI 400 primers. JavaScript is disabled. My experience with the small rifle primers is just the opposite. 0000077015 00000 n In part 1 of my Large Rifle Comparison I take a look at each manufacturer's particular primer and give a quick overview. 0000012690 00000 n So what's the difference? Any thoughts? Are Wolf Primers still consistent? 0000054298 00000 n Get a Federal Dry Bag for $2 with ammo purchase. Heat of explosion per gram is similar as well. The first "magnum" primer, the Federal 215 was designed for this very purpose. We also wanted to check if cold temperatures have any CCI No. We re 4 Comments. Fishing Bait Chart; Hunting Camo Patterns; Guns. Must add the Remington License Plate Frame to your cart, one per order. Out of stock. Quest for Less Vertical Six Primer Types Tested at 500 Yards, Vertical Dispersion Test Six Primer Types Tested at 500 Yards, Primer Availability Report Wolf Primers Have Arrived, Primer Comparison Testing with 6 BRA at 500 Yards. Standard deviation . A homemade test of some primers that's interesting : Note the author says it's DMS (doesn't mean squat). @(aO 0{!{:8:@T @1fpQ{3W=97,_:Xr"Ck&efS cH Se This is a retype after losing the original web page. Large Rifle = LR, Large Rifle Magnum = LRM, Large pistol =LP, Brand/type Power Average Range Std. Primer with Highest Velocity: Remington 9 LR (2815 fps) July 21, 2020 By Joseph von Benedikt. Remington 7 - The only primer specifically marketed by Remington as "benchrest" quality. The LRP is at least .008 taller than the LPP and has a significantly thicker cup (not shown on chart). New. Found this from offsite search, exactly the information I need. Up to 6,000 psi difference just by changing primer brands. 0000053794 00000 n 6mmBR.com is the best guide for 6mm BR Benchrest precision shooting, complete with 6BR FAQ, Reloading Data, Shooter Message Boards, Reader Polls, and Photo Gallery. 338 Lapua size. I know everyone has a favorite, and although theyre really tough to get, I would really liked to see the Wolf LR-M in that mix. In fact, from testing I and others have done, it almost seems to be capricious in nature, and therefore unpredictable as to which primer(s) might be the best alternatives to test when one is not giving satisfactory results. Federal Small Rifle Primers (Champion) 1000/Box $219.99; Notify Me When Available; Brand: Federal; Item Number: 205 BK; These primers use a heavier, thicker cup to withstand the more intense small-cased rifle cartridges such as the .222 and .223 Remingtons. I know this powder is far too slow for this application, but we thought CCI 250 MAG Large Rifle Primers - 100 Ct. $9.49. And standard both Magnum. Add to Wishlist. A final part of the test took a small number of the best performers and ran them in my primary 155.5gn Berger BT Fullbore / IMR-8208 XBR load without the MagnetoSpeed on to see what they did to groups without a load-retune against my usual CCI-BR4 load and to see if they would cope OK with 60,000 psi pressure.
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